Attila, explaining to Jean why her attempt to bring a scientific viewpoint to the subject of urban foxes had not gone well, in comparison to the simplistic solution proposed by the Mayor - based around the three words Urban, Disease, Destruction. 'The trick of politicians is to know what those are and appear to be addressing the concerns they raise, if only by making sure they repeat them often engough. The public likes to be indulged, and there are those happy to do so in the interests of their career or ambitions. But you would not indulge the listeners of the radio show. You spoke plainly, it is your job as scientist to deal with facts and it is also your nature. You treated the listeners like adults.' This reminded me of Transactional Analysis. The politician speaks in a comforting Parent-Child mode, but Jean tries to speak adult-adults, which is rejected.